Sundering or Furious? - Guild Wars Forums

B.N · Sep 06, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

A few people in my alliance use furious, others use sundering. I rarely see any swords selling with furious mods on them but I always see sundering swords on sale. What does everyone prefer?

Iuris · Sep 06, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

There's no real preference. Each sword is good for a specific build. Sometimes any extra adrenaline will benefit the player significantly, sometimes, it is of no value.

It all depends.

Mournblade · Sep 06, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

If you don't need elemental damage, and you are running an adrenal build go for furious. You didn't mention Vampiric though... =)

Theli · Sep 06, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Sundering >>>>> Furious even if u run adrenal builds.
u gain adrenalin just hitting ur target, and using skills like frenzy or fail that increase attack speed.

Sundering 20/20 means u have a 20% chance to low targets armor by 20% any time u hit him.

So if ur target is a monk 60 al base without armor boost (al vs phy, or shield).
60*20/100= 12 thats mean that ur are lowering the armor 12 points so its like u hit a 48armor target. And thats means more damage. And the chance is 20%
So lets say every 5 attacks u hit 1 with sundering 20% target armor.

And u are using frenzy/flail , so ur attack speed is increased.

...

Lets see Furious.
max furious is 10%, that means almost every 10 attacks 1 of ur attacks will give u 2 adren instead of 1. So u can charge ur combo, 1 hit earlier.

............

So when u get more benefit, more DPS every 5 attacks or More adrenaline every 10 attacks. I say option 1.

Well Of course its all probability u can hit twice or three times in a row with double adrenaline, but it's just luck. But there is the same and more posibility to hit ur target with the 20% sundering bonus.

More DPS is much better, and always use a skill that increase attack speed, and now some ppl run frenzy/flail + " For great Justice". So whats the point in Furious Sword??
Better more DPS, so Sundering/Vampiric is better

I'll Choose on swords
Vampiric,Sundering,Elemental,Zealous

Maybe on Hammers ,Furious, instead of Zealous. But not for Sword/Axe

Coloneh · Sep 06, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

you have go to be kidding.... do not listen to anything the poster above me said. he obviously has some sort of medical condition that causes him to believe sundering is useful. if you want more adrenaline go for furious. elemental damage go for elemental. damage, go for vampiric. never sundering. ever.

pies of doom · Sep 06, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

gonna have to agree with coloneh. i always go for furious over sundering. sundering is just ..... well its just lame. lol. i tend to carry a couple of elem swords a couple of furious and 1 vamp if im playing warrior. as for swords being sold with sundering over furious its just the fact that people believe sundering will raise the price of their weapon imo as 20/20 sundering upgrade are generally harder to come by than a 10% furious upgrade.

masta_yoda · Sep 06, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

lol...... if u really think furious is good, then your a noob in pvp.

strong spike damage is the way to go in pvp, not extra 2 andrenaline. on top of that if you had a zealous mod, you could probably frenzy twice as much and still build more andrenaline and still produce almost twice the amount of damage compared to your 2 andrenaline gain.

Furthermore with skills like enraging, building andrenaline shouldnt be a problem.

As for why furious sword mods never get bought, because it is shit compared to sundering,zealous,vamp etc...

Savio · Sep 06, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

never sundering. ever.

What's wrong with sundering?

Theli · Sep 06, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

if u think furious is good, you probably run a mending wammo.

Like Yoda says, In PVP and PVE Strong Spike Damage (more DPS DAMAGE PER SECOND) is the way.

Well if u think that I have a mental condition, so the guys that post in QQ forums have the same condition, and they are in the tops gvg guilds

http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/vi...=asc&star t=0

There is a post with only Warrior Related question. Go there and ask.

...

I think that u live in the past when sundering used to be 10/10 and there wasnt other Increase Attack Speed than Frenzy/Flurry.
Now With Enraging + Flail + For Great Justice (after buff) if u need adren, u need to delete ur war.

smrandom · Sep 06, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Savio

What's wrong with sundering?

In short, nothing. However, my preference is for Furious in PvE and Elemental in PvP. It all has to with Damage Per Second ("DPS"), which I can't explain in numbers, but is the standard bearer of damage output. In my experience, Sundering mods on Axes and Swords are inferior to those of Vampiric. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you'll do more damage over time with a Vampiric mod, compared to a Sundering or Furious mod. Elemental is also preferred because elemental damage ignores most armor bonuses (because it is not physical damage). I might consider Sundering in PvP on a Hammer, simply because of the difference in damage and attack speed, but that's about it.

With respect to PvE, I prefer Furious because I use a lot of adrenal skills. Combined with skills like Enraging, Flail or "For Great Justice", you can use a lot of high cost adrenaline skills more often, which results in a higher damage output. Again, I'd probably pick a Sundering Hammer over a Furious Hammer, but in the case of Axes and Swords, I like Furious.

I only use Zealous mods on Scythes and Daggers. Spears are Vampiric or Furious. Scythes are Vampiric or Zealous.

pies of doom · Sep 07, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by masta_yoda

lol...... if u really think furious is good, then your a noob in pvp.

i dont pvp so in that respect i guess your right. and no i dont run mending. lol. i normally run fairly adrenaline heavy builds so for me furious is always better than sundering. in the end it all comes down to what you prefer using. if u wanna swing away with a sundering hilt on your sword go for it, likewise if you'd prefer furious then by all means stick a furious hilt on it. i personally dislike sundering mods.

Isileth · Sep 07, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

In a spike sundering while doing less dmg on average than vamp, has the chance to do a lot more. An average spike tends not to kill, when you crit and sunder, thats when people go down.

Coloneh · Sep 07, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theli

Like Yoda says, In PVP and PVE Strong Spike Damage (more DPS DAMAGE PER SECOND) is the way.

your contradicting yourself, vamp is more dps.

Icy DS · Sep 07, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

your contradicting yourself, vamp is more dps.

Sundering Crits > Vamp

SUNDERING > ANYTHING IN LIFE

Darkobra · Sep 07, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Use what you want and ignore the cries of the elitists. Even Frenzy! My domination mesmer will love you long time.

demonblade · Sep 07, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

i prefer zealous over any others... maybe not vamp
i have other means of gain adrenalines, furious is just not enough
i have other means to spike dmg, sundering is just not often enough

Theli · Sep 07, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

your contradicting yourself, vamp is more dps.

he is asking sundering or furious..I didnt see vamp on the first question ok!!!.

Then Between vamp or sundering which one its better?

It depends, Vamp > dps while spiking
and u can say not spiking vamp is more usefull too.

but there is one thing. Metagame.
Blind + Wards + SoD
Then its better Sundering. U're not gaining benefit from vamp.

notskorn · Sep 07, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Get a sundering, furious, vamp, zealous and elemental weapon of each type and switch accordingly and you should be all set.

Sep 06, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41	#1
B.N Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Texas, USA Guild: Four Star C Force Profession: R/	Sundering or Furious? A few people in my alliance use furious, others use sundering. I rarely see any swords selling with furious mods on them but I always see sundering swords on sale. What does everyone prefer?

Sep 06, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#4
Theli Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Los Chavos Del [Ocho]	Sundering >>>>> Furious even if u run adrenal builds. u gain adrenalin just hitting ur target, and using skills like frenzy or fail that increase attack speed. Sundering 20/20 means u have a 20% chance to low targets armor by 20% any time u hit him. So if ur target is a monk 60 al base without armor boost (al vs phy, or shield). 6020/100= 12 thats mean that ur are lowering the armor 12 points so its like u hit a 48armor target. And thats means more damage. And the chance is 20% So lets say every 5 attacks u hit 1 with sundering 20% target armor. And u are using frenzy/flail , so ur attack speed is increased. ... Lets see Furious. max furious is 10%, that means almost every 10 attacks 1 of ur attacks will give u 2 adren instead of 1. So u can charge ur combo, 1 hit earlier. ............ So when u get more benefit, more DPS every 5 attacks or More adrenaline every 10 attacks. I say option 1. Well Of course its all probability u can hit twice or three times in a row with double adrenaline, but it's just luck. But there is the same and more posibility to hit ur target with the 20% sundering bonus. More DPS is much better, and always use a skill that increase attack speed, and now some ppl run frenzy/flail + " For great Justice". So whats the point in Furious Sword?? Better more DPS, so Sundering/Vampiric is better I'll Choose on swords Vampiric,Sundering,Elemental,Zealous Maybe on Hammers ,Furious, instead of Zealous. But not for Sword/Axe Last edited by Theli; Sep 06, 2007 at 07:32 PM // 19:32..*

Sep 06, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37	#9
Theli Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Los Chavos Del [Ocho]	if u think furious is good, you probably run a mending wammo. Like Yoda says, In PVP and PVE Strong Spike Damage (more DPS DAMAGE PER SECOND) is the way. Well if u think that I have a mental condition, so the guys that post in QQ forums have the same condition, and they are in the tops gvg guilds http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/vi...=asc&star t=0 There is a post with only Warrior Related question. Go there and ask. ... I think that u live in the past when sundering used to be 10/10 and there wasnt other Increase Attack Speed than Frenzy/Flurry. Now With Enraging + Flail + For Great Justice (after buff) if u need adren, u need to delete ur war. Last edited by Theli; Sep 06, 2007 at 11:40 PM // 23:40..

Sep 06, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#2
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	There's no real preference. Each sword is good for a specific build. Sometimes any extra adrenaline will benefit the player significantly, sometimes, it is of no value. It all depends.

Sep 06, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12	#3
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	If you don't need elemental damage, and you are running an adrenal build go for furious. You didn't mention Vampiric though... =)

Sep 06, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07	#5
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	you have go to be kidding.... do not listen to anything the poster above me said. he obviously has some sort of medical condition that causes him to believe sundering is useful. if you want more adrenaline go for furious. elemental damage go for elemental. damage, go for vampiric. never sundering. ever.

Sep 06, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27	#6
pies of doom Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: W/	gonna have to agree with coloneh. i always go for furious over sundering. sundering is just ..... well its just lame. lol. i tend to carry a couple of elem swords a couple of furious and 1 vamp if im playing warrior. as for swords being sold with sundering over furious its just the fact that people believe sundering will raise the price of their weapon imo as 20/20 sundering upgrade are generally harder to come by than a 10% furious upgrade.

Sep 06, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39	#7
masta_yoda Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: most hated players in the [game] Profession: R/Mo	lol...... if u really think furious is good, then your a noob in pvp. strong spike damage is the way to go in pvp, not extra 2 andrenaline. on top of that if you had a zealous mod, you could probably frenzy twice as much and still build more andrenaline and still produce almost twice the amount of damage compared to your 2 andrenaline gain. Furthermore with skills like enraging, building andrenaline shouldnt be a problem. As for why furious sword mods never get bought, because it is shit compared to sundering,zealous,vamp etc...

Sep 07, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58	#12
Isileth Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/W	In a spike sundering while doing less dmg on average than vamp, has the chance to do a lot more. An average spike tends not to kill, when you crit and sunder, thats when people go down.

Sep 07, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57	#15
Darkobra Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot Profession: E/Me	Use what you want and ignore the cries of the elitists. Even Frenzy! My domination mesmer will love you long time.

Sep 07, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27	#16
demonblade Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Home Profession: W/A	i prefer zealous over any others... maybe not vamp i have other means of gain adrenalines, furious is just not enough i have other means to spike dmg, sundering is just not often enough

Sep 07, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42	#18
notskorn Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Clan Roxor Profession: W/E	Get a sundering, furious, vamp, zealous and elemental weapon of each type and switch accordingly and you should be all set.